I would have much preferred to see an episode with this subject matter explored than a falsely accused man. The things she does are okay until a certain point. IMO, they spent way too much time in the first act trying to villainize her for impersonating a child online, asking her condescendingly "oh, so there's a line?" use the following search parameters to narrow your results: Subreddit for the Netflix Original TV Series 'Criminal'. So that is like Kardashian crazy? Maybe it's projection? If this is the attitude applied to homicide/robbery, why not sex crimes? [–]boredjavaprogrammer 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (2 children). It's important to consider the other side of the coin, i.e. None of these are even the slightest bit of relevant to any of the issues that I've raised. The real truth regarding what happened is that she was trying to take her own life that night, and he was stopping her, it was her blood and not his as the media spun it. His colleague who works out of their shared office is who Danielle was talking to, and when her “building the case” became incredibly obvious, he fingered Andrew for the crime. The cast is full of big names, with a mix of new faces among the core cast. Exactly. [–]atlwellwell 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (1 child). Which is obviously not correct but everyone has these blind spots just on different things. 'Criminal UK' Season 2, guest-starring Kunal Nayyar. [–]FearlessTomorrowMay 6 points7 points8 points 3 months ago* (0 children). He could still be out there doing this same thing to other young children and in some ways I wish there was a vigilante out there to take care of him because no one else stuck up for me. [–]letmeeatcake97 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (0 children), Was disappointed in how they handled alex, the only moral thing he did wrong was adultery which isn't a crime, so he definitely deserved better, [–]Vintean 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago (0 children), [–]sendokun 1 point2 points3 points 25 days ago (0 children). Which arguably was quite an applaudable thing. And instead, they end the Episode 2 ending with a stalemate and leaving it in a gray area. Pretend you didn't tell me I'm just "raging about" things that are "only in my head." And voila. Leads you down one path to make you think that she was justified in outing him, until that revelation at the end that she didn’t have all the facts, the pedophile was impersonating his colleague and she ruined a lot of people’s lives, because she got the wrong person. “And to think I nearly went to House of Fraser!”. [–]Terrible_Vermicelli1 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (5 children). [–]letmeeatcake97 5 points6 points7 points 2 months ago (0 children), [–]LimonadaVonSaft 8 points9 points10 points 3 months ago* (1 child). Criminal: UK. And it's bound to raise even more eyebrows when all of those 3 episodes repeat one single type of crime: woman-on-man crime. I thought their depiction was pretty one-sided. During that scene you’re referring to, Natalie wants to lead Danielle to believe Andrew (the man she accused) committed suicide. I mean granted she'd have been better off giving the information straight to the police rather than to the innocent bearded guys boss and family, but the way the detectives framed everything from the start was so hostile towards her. This review of The King in Black #1 contains some minor spoilers. [–]Umpire616 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (3 children). The writers shoved the pattern in my face by repeating it again and again throughout the season. We as a society would progress most ideally if both type 1 and 2 errors were given the same weight and consideration, and a fair opportunity to be avoided. At worst, it's the end result of a harmful subconscious bias. Looks like she needs a lawyer after all. Yet again, the Evil Woman has ruined an innocent man's life. The police made mistakes, they should have brought Alex in quietly instead of making a scene, they have undoubtedly tarnished his name and reputation (symbolised by the water stain and the messed up chairs on Alex's side of the table). it's only okay if you beat them up partially, eeeverybody knows that! However like you say, we shouldn't decide which stories can be told and which shouldn't, and I do see how with MeToo and a lot of high profile or even just a guy like Alex with a good job getting his life dragged through the media is a real problem that people face. Cada historia tiene lugar exclusivamente dentro de una sala de interrogatorios de la policía, siguiendo el conflicto mental entre un policía y el principal sospechoso de un asesinato. That line is what separates interesting shows from predictable shows. If anything from a practical point if she had just handed the information to the police there would have been practically no issue. The first 3 episodes all recycled and repeated the exact same plot twist: "this man is so evil - haha, just kidding - this woman is the real devil and has ruined the man's life!" That's not a conversation. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. they have just ruined an innocent man's life without a single thought but now suddenly we are supposed to believe they are on this moral crusade against false accusations and their ripercussions? It's not a documentary pulling up statistics about rape victims. A review of the Netflix crime series Criminal, which is spread across four different countries — Spain, England, France and Germany — each with its … She could have done the chat stuff, stop there and bring the evidence to the authorities and none of this wouldn't have been happened to Simmons. This then immediately started everyone down the negative responses towards her, there was no context to the story other than ‘assault’ and a picture containing blood. - to see them trying to disguise it as condemning that modus operandi was just a joke and really distasteful, considering they were gladly and lightly doing the same. You can check out our thoughts on the previous episode by clicking these words. They could have just told the story and let us decide how right or wrong she was. Exactly, The thing that really pissed me off was that in Season 2, Episode 3 (Danielle) the detectives feel personally obligated to solve the case of "Danielle" and talk about how the false accusation affects the lives of the accused even if that made them out to be hypocrites. At first you think that Pesticide is a well-funded organisation of several hundred people working together, when it turns out to be the work of one unstable woman. As in convicted and sent to jail forever this innocent black man. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. [–]llumox 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago* (2 children). It all seemed to me that she sent out the packages to fulfil her personal thirst for vengeance more than anything else. Incensed by this, she sent the press clippings of the first case to his new employer and he was fired again, which she’s very happy about. Danielle Lloyd is 'furious' after being dragged into the 'Wagatha Christie' court battle, MailOnline can reveal today - as Rebekah Vardy apologised in court … With multiple international casts, Criminal is full of familiar names and faces. Funnily enough, the second case was extremely similar to the cases in Criminal UK S2 - the man turns out to be innocent and actually the victim of a woman, his wife. Let's leave it at " the sins of the father are not of the son" AND daughter in this situation, [–]_Lonni_ 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (1 child). These break my heart just as much as when a predator not arrested earlier ended up causing harm to more people when they are finally caught. The media decided to leak the investigation in such a way that they accused him of rape, even though it had only just happened and the investigation had barely started. They literally just focused on a made-up story from a perspective that you personally wouldn't choose. You can check out our thoughts on the previous episode by clicking these words. It all comes down to personal opinions it would seem. Movie details. Look at Reddit and the Boston Bomber debacle. I enjoy this season a lot more than S1. I've read plenty of Agatha Christie books. They could've written millions of plots with exceptionally unpredictable cases, without having evil and incompetent women be their cause at a disproportionately high rate. Maybe you should pay more attention? I think I was coming from a place where too many girls I know have fallen into the type 1 error where they've felt the need to drop charges or not go to police to begin with, and all of this was ultimately why the episode left me feeling so dirty. [–]TheWikiDoctor 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children), 26 Tweets per day. I believe the message is that vigilantism is wrong, no matter how well-intentioned. One thing: In the third act, the Detectives tell Danielle that Casper - Simmons' co-worker who'd been using his computer to groom what he thought was a child - is in custody as a result of their investigation. [–]gopms 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (0 children). Rochenda Sandall is back as DC Vanessa Warren for the second series of Criminal. That's a very good advice you should be giving to yourself. 2/4 episodes this season featured non-white criminals. [–]ManitouWakinyan 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children). I wanted more. I just worry that with the climax the way it is, that will be people's only take away? Even if Danielle had reported the evidence solely to the police, it’s likely that they would’ve arrested Simmonds much like the character played by Kit Harrington with the same damaging effect. There's no hipocrisy, they follow procedure in both cases, that's the point, [–]Goonred 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (1 child). And it's possible that her actions made it harder for the police to convict the ACTUAL pedo who was the one really responsible. I see that you have received many in-depth answers to your comment and while I haven't read all of them, I did not come across a certain perspective. This unilateral pressure can funnel the error away from type 2 into type 1. I think the show is trying to say that while we are improving our attitude towards sexual assault allegations, it's important that we don't censor the other side of the issue that is wrongful conviction, so we don't over-correct our approach and swing the pendulum too far the other way. Throughout, Danielle is very narcissistic - continually implying that she's smarter and more effective than the Police, and that she could have been a Detective herself; but not just any Detective, she'd have been Columbo. Also you shouldn't watch a show and say that it should tell another story than the one it told, you should take it on it's one merits. I'm sorry but I don't understand where this season is going. But thanks for revealing your own ugly biases. Also they suggest that this percentage is conflated by reports that become 'no crime' or 'unfounded' due to lack of evidence, which is not the same as a false accusation, or that people can also be coerced into dropping an accusation. I think what she doesn't want is to be disappointed. As for your question, it's a realistic depiction, because in real life, the vast majority of rapists and the majority of convicted violent criminals are men: According to CDC's Sexual Violence Survey in 2010, 90% of perpetrators of sexual violence against women are men. The consequences of this kind of accusation can be much much worse than those of rape, because sadly rape is somewhat normalised in society and as episode 2 shows, commonly thought to be false. Yet we get explained the situation of Danielle in a much extensive manner but are left with the case of Alex with little to no evidence and is up to our imagination. I love what you’ve written and it’s a question I want to pose to a few on here. Let the trained professionals handle the rest instead of go full vigilante. So, basically she's not mad at women who would do something like this. The reveal in the third act - when Nat tells her they just learned Social Services took her kids away - is that her life essentially stopped 5 years previously: She's still portraying herself as a concerned Mum of two kids who fits Pesticide around a busy life, when in reality outing alleged paedophiles is 100% of her life (Tony marvels that 19000 tweets had been sent on the preceding two years). 'Re not part of my comment entirely casts, Criminal is full of big names with. 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